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What to say? These people are the soul of the conference. How interesting and informative to hear what they have to say, what they are doing, and what they have to propose.

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From: Nigel P Howard 100765.1343@compuserve.com Davis Langdon & Everest Energy & Environment Group, Princes House 39 Kingsway London WC2B 6TP England, Tel +44 171 497 9000 Fax +44 171 240 9272
Subject: Zero Emissions Virtual Conference - Registration

I lead DLE's energy and environment group. We undertake research and consultancy commissions arising from or caused by construction and buildings. Our work includes aspects related to: resources, waste and recycling embodied energy/CO2 of materials ecoprofiling and LCA externality costs of construction weighting of environmental impacts from construction operational energy/CO2 of buildings the transport implications of buildings

Our research work is undertaken for UK Government and its agencies, EC, Professional and trade bodies, industry. Our consultancy work is undertaken for construction clients, designers, developers, owners and tennants of buildings and includes: Assisting clients to formulate green briefs and policy statements Assisting design teams to respond to green briefs Energy and environmental audits for occupants

Our consultancy work is complementary to the firm's main business of construction cost consultancy, quantity surveying and value management, for which DLE is an acknowledged international leader.


From: Michel ICKX, MichelIckx @compuserve.com
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997
RE: Invitation to a Conference on Sustainable Development

A pity that I did not have time in August for this excellent initiative. If still useful to you, there is a congress in September organized by WACRA and the Complutense University of Madrid on sustainable development. I can probably get you the list of papers and participants.

Another piece of information: You may want to read some of the work of Humberto Maturana whom you surely know as a Neurobiologist and member of the systemic movement. Together with Gerda Vegen Zoeller of Munchen(1), they have published most interesting theories on ecobiology and the matristic societies as opposed to our patriarchal societies which have much to do about pollution. I think that it all goes in the same direction as you: we just need new concepts and a new education/systemic approach and sensibility. (1) Of exceptional interest the Gabi studies and reports

Please let me know if I can help in any other way


From: SchmelzerR@aol.com, Mediapark Sued, Journalistenbueros & Grafik-Design, Cologne
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 14:56:30 -0400 (EDT)

We would like to register and are interested in the project of a virtual university.

I go will try to get your project on the air at German Radio RADIO5 which started with new programs on 1st September 97. There is a project called LEONARDO where Your ECO-TECHNOLOGIES should fit in.

schmelzer@journalismus.de http://www.journalismus.de


Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 11:18:47 +0000
From: Bruce Hannon

Registration for the Virtual Conference:

Bruce Hannon, Jubilee Professor Liberal Arts and Sciences, Geog/NCSA 220 Davenport Hall, MC 150 University of Illinois, Urbana, IL 61801


Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 11:07:23 -0400

From: Reid Lifset
Subject: Registration: zero-ems conference

My name is Reid Lifset. I am the associate director of the Industrial Environmental Management Program at the Yale School of Forestry & Environmental Studies. I edit the Journal of Industrial Ecology, an international peer-reviewed quarterly headquartered at the Yale School of Forestry & Environmental Studies and published for Yale University by MIT Press.

The Journal, as its name suggest, includes within its purview many topics related to ZERI in the narrow sense of clustering or co-location of industries to facilitate re-use of wastes including the examination of industrial ecosystems and industrial symbiosis. The journal also examines the broader topics related to ZERI including:

- material and energy flows studies ("industrial metabolism")
- technological change
- dematerialization and decarbonization
- life cycle planning, design and assessment
- design for the environment
- extended producer responsibility ("product stewardship")
- product-oriented environmental policy
- eco-efficiency.

The inaugural issue of the journal contains an article by John Ehrenfeld and Nick Gertler of MIT of the famous industrial district in Kalundborg and a review of Nelson Nemerow's book on ZERI-type complexes, "Zero Pollution for Industry: Waste Minimization Through Industrial Complexes". The journal has a regular column by Ray Cote of Dalhousie University on industrial ecosystems. For more information, visit the journal's web page at http://mitpress.mit.edu/JIE.

I am, of course, interested in and excited by the research and activities of the ZERI community and hope to see the members of community as authors, reviewers and readers of the Journal of Industrial Ecology

Reid J. Lifset, Associate Director, School of Forestry & Environmental Studies, Industrial Environmental Management Program, Yale University. Editor, Journal of Industrial Ecology 205 Prospect Street 203-432-6949 (tel) New Haven, CT 06511-2189 USA 203-432-5912 (fax) reid.lifset@yale.edu http://mitpress.mit.edu/JIE


Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997
Subject: Registering

Eric, Thanks for the invitation to your online conference. I'll take a look at that. Both the topic and the methodology interest me.

John Niles, President, Global Telematics, 4005 20th Avenue West, Seattle, WA 98199 USA email: 70715.224@compuserve.com 24 hour voice: 1-206-781-4475 private fax: 1-206-282-9791 http://www.gt-wa.com/gtwork/

Tue, 2 Sep 1997 21:58:36 -0500
From: tom abeles I have over 25 years of experience in the area of renewable resources and socially and environmentally responsible technologies and services. I also have about 20 years of experience in distance education and the use of asynchronous conferencing. I provide consulting, internationally to public and private sector clients on issues from policy to actual design capitalization and management of businesses which utilize the aforementioned services and technologies. My primary focus has been the US, Central and South America . Incidentally I have a long history in the renewable resources arena on both the tech and social sides so from a content perspective we can support you also.


Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 21:15:44 -0700
To: postmaster@the-commons.org
From: Carol Brouillet
Subject: Registering

I received an e-mail invitation to participate in this conference. For the past few years, I have focused my energies on the global economy, in particular "Reinventing Money, Restoring the Earth, Reweaving the Web of Life." I've been on a number of panels and given workshops on "Creating Community Currencies," as well as "Investing in the 21st Century."


Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:15:50 -0400
To: Britton EcoPlan
From: mruth@bu.edu (Matthias Ruth)
Subject: Re: Message from Internet

Please email the web address for the conference to me, as I am "on the road" and don't have it with me. I'll check as soon as I can, and will also provide you, if possible, with the material requested below.

As for comments on the materials that are already there, I think this conference was long over-due, will hopefully be a kick-off to a great project, and will bring like-minded people from many different backgrounds together to begin reshaping the way we do business.

Specific comments on individual pieces follow once you sent me the web address and I had a chance to revisit some of the things I browsed through yesterday (the first day I had a close look at the material)

Too bad I didn't know about it much earlier.... Did you ever think about extending it into the next month?)


From: sdnoesen@dow.com
Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:12:35 -0400
To:
Subject: RE: Welcome
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:11:35 -0400

Eric, thanks for the welcoming note. I am absolutely amazed that I am the first private sector type to "show up" !!! I found out about this unique opportunity via a fax from Joesph Coates, of Coates and Jarrett futurist fame, just two days ago! I suspect you might get some additional industry folks on board in response to Joe's note to our little "working group" devoted to Forecasts in Science, Technology and engineering in the next 25 years.

You are right on the mark with your comment about unattached research. Suffice it to say, I am one who struggles with both the theoretical aspects of issues of Sustainable Development, and yet has some responsibility towards implementing a "Sustainable Development Strategy" for a major multi-national company that will be actionable, as opposed to just words.

I find that some element of stress relief on this issue comes when I continually remind myself of the "Journey" of Sustainable Development, as opposed to any specific endpoint relative to any sort of "carrying capacity" or other favorite metric. While we may not be satisfied (in fact, should not be satisfied), with where we are on this journey, I hope we continue to educate ourselves such that we are at least going down the right path!

To this extent, you might be interested to note that we at Dow have engaged our Corporate Environmental Advisory Council (CEAC) to help provide guidance for Dow in the development of a Sustainable Development Strategy specifically geared for us. The CEAC is an outside advisory board made up of about 12-15 high level individuals with significant credentials in this arena (examples include Peter Winsemius, Franciss Cairncross, Jacqueline Aloisi de Larderel, and Jonathan Lash)

We plan on meeting three times in the nest 9 months to "flesh out" the vision, principles, and key indicators specific to Dow. It might be very interesting to get feedback from the virtual conference participants on this approach. In fact, if we really wanted to get creative, how about a "Virtual Strategy Session" devoted to helping a real, live multi-national find its way towards a "Sustainable Development Strategy" The output might be very illuminating, and could be used as a starting point for our specific CEAC sessions. Just a thought......

Best Regards,Scott D. Noesen, Manager of Environmental Performance


Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 07:57:55 -0700
Subject: Registration

I am interested in transportation, air quality, and land use; and how they interrelate.

Walt Allen, mcaqmd@pacific.net
Air Quality Planner, Mendocino County Air Quality Management District
306 E. Gobbi St. Ukiah, CA 95482 USA 707/463-4354


From: Thomas Graedel, thomas.graedel@yale.edu
Date: 25-08-97, 03:20
Re: Invitation to a Conference on an Important Sustainable Development Issue

Thanks for thinking of me in connection with the virtual conference on sustainable development. At this stage I think I must take a rain check, because I'm in the middle of three international trips in a space of only several weeks, plus starting two new courses in the industrial ecology area at Yale next week. Consequently, I don't think I have time for anything else, but please keep in touch.

Regards,
Tom Graedel


To: postmaster@the-commons.org,
From: Robert Ayres, Forum Moderator
Date: August 23, 1997
Re: Comments on some of the comments

I'm happy to see that the "system" is now working pretty well, and that we have a reasonable number of registrants. Obviously our timing was very bad -- almost everybody who might be interested at another time of year is somewhere else right now. I trust they all get sunburned while we work.

One new registrant, Jotkowitz, asks us for advice and assistance. I'm afraid we are not in the business of offering free consulting services to students. (There are too many of them and too few of us). Part of the experience of being a research student is learning where to find things. HINT. Try the articles in our electronic library, and the Industrial ecology bibliography provided by Jesse Ausubel. N.B. There is also a new Journal of Industrial Ecology (whose editor, Reid Lifset, may actually join us one of these days), published by MIT Press.


From: Barrett, Brendan
To: postmaster@the-commons.org
Subject: Zero Emissions Conference
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 00:56:27 +0900

First, sorry for registering so late!!

Let me introduce myself. My name is Brendan Barrett and I am a former Ph.D fellow at UNU/IAS (October 1996-June 1997). The theme of my doctorate was local environmental governance in Japan and the UK. Prior to that I worked as a consultant/programme officer with the UNEP International Environmental Technology Centre in Japan. Even further back I worked with a major UK environmental consultancy carrying out environmental audits, assessments and so on. At present, I am back at UNU/IAS working on a short consultancy helping to prepare the project documents for the next biennium. I am joining this conference in a personal capacity and not as a representative of UNU/IAS.

I have taken the opportunity to glance over the papers presented so far and I intend go back over them in more detail later. I recall hearing about the notion of "zero emissions" about two years ago when I was with UNEP. I think it was probably through a UNU press release. At that time, I can remember thinking "nice concept" but that cleaner production is more practical and potentially achievable

My main concern, therefore, is to what extent the current emphasis on cleaner production may represent a barrier to the effective development of "zero emissions" as a practical alternative. I look forward to learning more about this and other aspects of zero emissions as the conference progresses.

Can I suggest that you add the homepage of UNEP Industry and Environment in Paris to your links since it contains details on the UNEP/UNIDO Cleaner Production Programme at URL http://www.unepie.org/cp/home.html). (Webmaster note: Done!)

Brendan Barrett
Consultant
Institute of Advanced Studies, United Nations University
53-67 Jingumae 5-chome, Shibuya-ku, Tokyo 150, Japan
Tel: 03-5467-2323 (ext.7722), Fax: 03-5467-2324
Email: barrett@ias.unu.edu


Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:29:11 -0700
From: "Robert A. Moskowitz"
To: postmaster@the-commons.org
Subject: Registering

I'm interested in participating.

I'm impressed with your ability to field these and other efforts. I'm looking forward to a month of exciting ideas and conversations.

Robert Moskowitz
The American Telecommuting Association,ATA@aol.com
(also, more personally, robertam@ix.netcom.com)

PS. The American Telecommuting Association will be happy to give one year memberships as prizes to your Zero Emissions International Joke Contest. Each one includes the ATA Handbook, a year of the newsletter, and access to various services and purchasing discounts. It's oriented toward the US, but the information is probably of some value worldwide. For details, check the ATA web page ("http://www.knowledgetree.com/ata.html")I'm not sure how many we can afford, but how many would be convenient for you to have as prizes? If you don't want them, no problem. Please let me know.


Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 23:53:14 -0700
From: Jotkowitz
Subject: Industrial Ecology
To: eric.britton@the-commons.org

Dear Mr. Britton,

I am a 4th year Geography & Environmental Science student and would appreciate if you could help me with the following research I am undertaking.

The topic I am researching is: "Strategic implications of industrial ecology for business development in the future". Could you please direct me to relevant journal articles and books which may be of assistance, together with your personal view point on the matter.

If you know of anyone else who could be assistance could you please give me their email address?

With thanks in advance,

Benjamin Jotkowitz
Monash University
Melbourne, Australia


To: postmaster@the-commons.org
From: Marco Magnani
Subject: Please register my organization
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 16:26:06 +0200

Dear Webmaster, Thank you for your invitation at ZERO EMISSIONS: POLICY TARGET OR PIPEDREAM?. I was going to tell you I am sorry but I do not have the budget to get there, but it is a virtual conference then I will attend at it.

I would like therefore to register myself and my organisation at Zero Emission Conference.

I am checking daily the progress of your virtual conference. Sometimes, I have connection problems (due probably to the weakness of my and your server). (Webmaster note: Be careful of traffic jams on the Web during the afternoons in Europe!)

Thank you and my compliments for the virtual organisation of the conference.

Marco Magnani
Istituto Europeo Studi Sociali - Associazione Europea
via po 22, 00198 Rome
Fax: ++39-6-8848879 Tel. ++39-6-8848779
e-mail iessae@uni.net http://www.iess-ae.it MIRTI Project: http://www.iess-ae.it/mirti


Tue, 12 Aug 1997 15:35:48 +0200 To: Britton EcoPlan From: bguellar@certu.fr (Bernard GUELLARD) Subject: Re: Invitation to a Conference on Sustainable Development

Dear Eric Britton

Thanks a lot for the invitation to an innovative virtual conference, but I can't join your group. I'm on holiday till 25th August, and today, I'm in my office only to have a look at my mail box. So I wish you good luck for this forum. Maybe see you about our UTOPIA project before the end of this year.

Best regards


Sender: DPrice000@aol.com
Date: 12 Aug 1997 22:04:47 -0400 (EDT)
To: eric.britton@the-commons.org
Subject: Submission of Paper

Thank-you for your E-mail. However the information makes me think that I may not be able to make a meaningful contribution to your conference. As I stated I am engaged in an R&D project with an innovative hydropower technology that does not use dams. Thereby avoiding the environmental pitfalls and the high costs of dams.

I do have hard numbers. I am a practicing engineer who has engaged in industrial plant design efforts for over 15 years. We have built a laboratory model. The results were independently witnessed and calculations checked.

While our results indicate the technology is more economical than other renewables such as solar and wind, we have not been able to capture the imaginations of the researcher community in the U.S. The reasons our research has not caught on are complicated but are related to a variety of factors. One factor is that HYDRO is considered a four-letter word with some environmentalists. Another factor is that we are using a reciprocating technology, reciprocating technologies have never been used signficantly in hydropower. Another reason is that our pedigree is not from a well known, well funded university or laboratory. Another factor is that the U.S. government/industrial complex is not seriously interested in pursuing a renewable route for energy research. Another factor is that the technology has its greatest application potnetial overseas in developing countries where oil is a scarce commodity.

My goal is writing a paper would be to effect positively some or all of these difficult factors we face in the implementation of our research. At this time my desire for publication is to remain somewhat obscure. However I will particpate in your conference. And if I can figure out an appropriate theme to fit your conference I will write a short piece. Hopefully my writing will be of sufficient calibre to add to your efforts.

Oh a 9600 baud modem is not so bad if you set your cache to a large size (20 megabytes). As you scroll about the screens the cache quickly disgorges the images you have already seen. Later this year when the 56,000 baud modems are available I will purchase an entirely new computer.


Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:32:04 +0200
To: eric.britton@the-commons.org
From: Michael Chadwick
Subject: Invitation to Virtual Conference

Thank you for the invitation to participate in the "virtual conference". I would very much like to do so but I must ask about the month's duration you stipulated. When does this begin and end? I will be away from Geneva from 20 August to 23 September. For much of this time I will be in Central America and out of contact with Email or the Internet. Maybe this renders my participation itself only "virtual" and therefore I should decline. I await your advice.


Date: Sun, 10 Aug 97 23:05:35
To:
From: "Robert H Aten"
Subject: re: Invitation to a Conference on an Important Sustainable...

HI Eric:

Been a long while since we have talked. Zero emissions is an interesting concept in Jakarta -- where the air pollution reflects the rapid pace of industrialization in Indonesia.

A short note, as I think my email is down, and am waiting for it to come back up. Say hello to Bob Ayres for me -- he is the reason, I am sure, for you and I getting in touch again. Have forwarded your information to the environmental folks here. Cordially,


From: DPrice000@aol.com Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 12:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970808121657_-1137797066@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: postmaster@the-commons.org Subject: Registration

I wish to register.

My interest is in the promotion of a damless hydropower technology research project we are currently seeking funding for. The technology avoids the high costs and the environmental pitfalls of traditional dam building. The project we are seeking funding for is a prototype demonstration, and is intended to be operated next calendar year. From this prototype we intend to move into commercialization with the first demonstration plant in the year 1999 or 2000.

My internet tools are limited to that available through America Online. I do not have sound or video conferencing capabilities, however it could be arranged if needed. My modem is limited to 9600 baud. (Webmaster note: THough his modem is limited, we have to hope that his patience is not!)


Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 10:35:18 +0200
From: "Juan S. Milanés"
To: postmaster@the-commons.org
Subject: Registration

Dear Colleague,

I have recently heard of this highly interesting initiative and want to join it. I am a consultant specialized in rational use of energy in transport and related matter. Currently I am working with the EnR network to assist the European Commission DG XVII in designing energy RTD strategy vis-a-vis the Fifth Framework Program.

Main areas of concern are life cycle and energy balance issues concerning zero or near zero emission vehicles and assessment tools for demand management policies.

My e-mail address is jsm@redestb.es. I am using Netscape Communicator 4.0. I think that it has chat capabilities, but I have never used these tools.

Kind regards

Juan S. Milanés


Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997
From: SMTP%"kfischer@black.clarku.edu"

Subj: Book recommendations

Dear Network Colleagues,

Do you have current reading suggestions on the greening of industry, sustainable development, sustainability? The bookstore at University of California Santa Barbara has asked Monica Dunne, our 1997 conference manager, for a list of relevant titles which they will stock for sale in anticipation of our November 16-19 conference.

Please send me your suggestions by August 25 -- max. three titles each, please -- I will compile a list and forward it to UCSB.

Author/Editor - Title - Publisher - Year.

Thanks

Kurt Fischer
U.S. Coordinator, The Greening of Industry Network
Research Professor, The George Perkins Marsh Institute
Clark University, 950 Main Street
Worcester, Massachusetts 01610-1477 USA
tel 508 751 4607 fax 508 751 4600
kfischer@clarku.edu


From: "Niklas Sieber"
Organization: IFRTD
To: zero.emissions.conference@the-commons.org
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 13:13:46 +0000

Dear Sir or Madam,

Would you please send me information on the zero emission conference.

Regards,

Niklas Siebe

International Forum for Rural Transport and Development
150 Southampton Row London WC1 B5AL, UK
Tel.: +44 171/ 278 3682, Fax: +44 171/ 278 6880
e-mail: ifrtd@gn.apc.org Webpage: http://www.gn.apc.org/ifrtd


Comments to initial communications by Robert Ayres, 11 August

Here follows two of the first batch of responses sent on 11 August to early responders to our invitation to join the "Zero Emissions" virtual conference. These are mostly individualized, but I hope that some of the answers to queries can be applied more broadly.

Bob Aten (USAID, Jakarta): Thanks for alerting the official environmental types there. We hope to hear from them. Meanwhile, keep checking in with us yourself. This is only the beginning. We expect a number of interesting (and some surprising) inputs from various sources. Also, I hope it will also turn out to be fun!

Peg Kay (Vertech): Your message was partly personal, and to that part we will respond via other means. We invite you to participate in the Zero Emissions Conference -- along with a few selected others -- not on the basis of expertise in the subject, but on the basis of general knowledge, high intelligence, wit and extraordinary communications skills. Also, you know a lot of good Internet jokes. This conference is only likely to be attended by others of the same caliber, and I look forward to the "cut and thrust". (But let's keep it clean... and green!)


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